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    18:51, March 17, 2018

    Reacting to a vision of Maul, Ezra defies Hera and Kanan to travel to a remote planet in hopes of stopping the former Sith lord from carrying out his plans.


    What did everyone think of the nineteenth episode of the third season of Star Wars Rebels?

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    • Well it was less fun than expected. Not much to see in this episode.

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      Well, it had less Kenobi...the plot mainly focused on how Ezra and Maul got to Kenobi. And AS far as Kenobi vs Maul is concerned, WE GET NOTHING.Maul is finished in one slash(although that was cool). No key plot points for Zero Hour either. The main development is the killing of Maul. The only thing worth watching int this episode is Kenobi, who seems even cooler as an old person than as a young Jedi. 

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    • I found the episode really, really good. The tension was palpable. I wanted a bit more of a lightsaber battle but the emotional impact was good. I actually felt sorry for Maul in a way! Someone I know said they spotted a reference to Ep 7 - did any of you guys spot this? I couldn't see it although I've only seen the episode once. Overall, the best episode of this season (so far) without a doubt for me. Bring on the finale.

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    • I personally liked it, but it was a little not-really focused on Maul vs Kenobi. When I watched this, I wasn't even sure if Maul died

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    • Yeah I didn't either and, joking aside, I don't think Maul knew Kenobi got him for a few seconds like we didn't.

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    • I was a little disappointed at first that the final Kenobi vs. Maul duel lasted only three strokes, especially after all that buildup, but in hindsight, it's only fitting. Maul's will to survive was fueled mainly by two things: his hatred of Obi-Wan and his lust for revenge. When he found Kenobi and tried to fulfill those needs, he realized that both would still get him nowhere. In his frustration, he slipped and was struck down.

      I can honestly say it was worth the wait, though I wouldn't have minded a little less Ezra and a little more of Maul's and Obi-Wan's psychology play out on screen. Sure, Ezra was the catalyst that brought them together for the last time, but (as always) we could've used a little more Kenobi.

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    • I think as well by the time he finally got to Kenobi he was actually quite a frail figure. After all these years of obsession over trying to kill Kenobi, he ran out of fuel as it were. As I say, I almost felt sorry for him.

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    • Spongebob456 wrote: I think as well by the time he finally got to Kenobi he was actually quite a frail figure. After all these years of obsession over trying to kill Kenobi, he ran out of fuel as it were. As I say, I almost felt sorry for him.

      I think you're on the right track there. Plus, I think that like a true Jedi, Obi-Wan has let go of the pain that Maul has caused him in the past. He only raised his blade because he couldn't let Maul kill him and thus eliminate Luke's protection. It's kind of fitting that their confrontation was so brief-it showed just how much Maul had stunted himself by letting revenge consume him, whereas Obi-Wan has grown and become a great Jedi. Interesting to see how cautious Bail is about the knowledge of Obi-Wan's continued existence; I wonder if even Leia and Mon Mothma are aware of it at this point.

      Overall, I would say that Maul's arc in Rebels has been mostly about cleaning up loose ends from Rebels, with Maul conveniently helping to turn Ezra away from the dark side rather than towards it. He's dead now, the Darksaber is back in the hands of the Mandalorians, and from the looks of things the Nightsisters will never be able to arise again. But to be honest, it seems like they could have tied up or set up the tie up of all but the third of those with just his appearance in Twilight of the Apprentice; they could have just had him wield the Darksaber and then have it be recovered by Ezra or Kanan after his death at the hands of someone, preferably Vader. The Nightsisters thing was a nice bonus, but from the looks of things nothing was liable to happen there unless some poor fool stumbled upon their cave and happened to do something that awoke their spirits.

      Glad that the Nightbrother proved to be Ezra's means of getting home; I like that ship and I feared it would go the way of the Infiltrator/Scimitar before it. Of course, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it now went the way of the Rebel TIE, the stolen Imperial Assault Carrier, and the Grand Inquisitor and Eight Brother's TIE Advanced Fighters and we never saw it again or heard what happened to it.

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    • At last, Maul's story has come full circle. Oh how I hoped this would be the end of the false Sith, because every story, no matter how good it is, must end sooner or later.

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    • i really enjoyed the episode

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    • Wow, well I am kind of let down how brief that battle between Obi-Wan and Maul were considering how stoked and the build up to it but its great to see finally seeing the end of Maul in the best way ever at the hands of Kenobi. As well, as Maul's last words and that sort of ish unseen cameo of Luke.

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    • I think that battle is going to divide a lot of fans. I was (and still am a touch) disappointed but I can see some of the reasons behind it as I've said further up this thread. I will say it's a very bold move from Filoni to do this especially knowing fans would be expecting an extended duel. After understanding possible in-universe reasons it doesn't bother me quite so much, but it will still bother a lot of other fans for sure.

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    • I thought this was a near perfect episode. Especially compared to last weeks atrocity. This is honestly one of my favorite episodes. Right up there with twilight of the apprentice. Honestly the duel between kenobi and maul, while brief, was exactly what we needed. Having a drawn out epic final battle is so predictable, and while maul's death was also predictable, they still managed to surprise us with its brevity.

      I think what Bane said perfectly justifies why the fight was so short. It also shows how the dark side can corrupt and destroy an individual, while the light has the opposite effect.

      And I'm glad maul's story is finally over. It's a great and ultimately tragic story, but every story has a conclusion, and I'm glad everything has been wrapped up.

      Also I thought Anakin was still the chosen one, not Luke.

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    • Another thing: did anyone else notice that the ending was ripped directly from the beginning of a new hope?

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    • Quantus X II wrote:
      I thought this was a near perfect episode. Especially compared to last weeks atrocity. This is honestly one of my favorite episodes. Right up there with twilight of the apprentice. Honestly the duel between kenobi and maul, while brief, was exactly what we needed. Having a drawn out epic final battle is so predictable, and while maul's death was also predictable, they still managed to surprise us with its brevity.

      I think what Bane said perfectly justifies why the fight was so short. It also shows how the dark side can corrupt and destroy an individual, while the light has the opposite effect.

      And I'm glad maul's story is finally over. It's a great and ultimately tragic story, but every story has a conclusion, and I'm glad everything has been wrapped up.

      Also I thought Anakin was still the chosen one, not Luke.

      I think it has to do with at this point, since Anakin's transformation into Vader, that Obi-Wan felt Anakin may not be the chosen one after all. It was not until the events in Return of the Jedi when Anakin fully resurfaced and saved his son that he became the chosen one again. 

      In any case, it is quite an interesting topic of discussion. In my personal opinion, after Anakin turned to the dark side and Luke and Leia were born, Anakin lost the title of the chosen one and it fell onto the shoulders of his children. Then when turned back to the light, when he was Anakin again, he had become what the chosen one was meant to be. So in that sense, I feel the chosen one could refer to anyone within the Skywalker who has the power of the Force and is not something exclusive to Anakin.

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    • It would've been hilarious if after Obi-Wan sliced Maul's lightsaber in half, Maul had a heart attack instead of Obi-Wan slicing his torso.

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    • Well, I was right - Maul finally found peace, in the only possible way. In death.

      The episode was worth the wait. This may surprise you, but i think the short duel was exactly the right way to do it. This whole conflcit was on an emotional, rather than physical level.

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    • Vorknkx wrote: Well, I was right - Maul finally found peace, in the only possible way. In death.

      The episode was worth the wait. This may surprise you, but i think the short duel was exactly the right way to do it. This whole conflcit was on an emotional, rather than physical level.

      Couldn't have said it better

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    • Neutron67 wrote:

      Quantus X II wrote:
      I thought this was a near perfect episode. Especially compared to last weeks atrocity. This is honestly one of my favorite episodes. Right up there with twilight of the apprentice. Honestly the duel between kenobi and maul, while brief, was exactly what we needed. Having a drawn out epic final battle is so predictable, and while maul's death was also predictable, they still managed to surprise us with its brevity.

      I think what Bane said perfectly justifies why the fight was so short. It also shows how the dark side can corrupt and destroy an individual, while the light has the opposite effect.

      And I'm glad maul's story is finally over. It's a great and ultimately tragic story, but every story has a conclusion, and I'm glad everything has been wrapped up.

      Also I thought Anakin was still the chosen one, not Luke.

      I think it has to do with at this point, since Anakin's transformation into Vader, that Obi-Wan felt Anakin may not be the chosen one after all. It was not until the events in Return of the Jedi when Anakin fully resurfaced and saved his son that he became the chosen one again. 

      In any case, it is quite an interesting topic of discussion. In my personal opinion, after Anakin turned to the dark side and Luke and Leia were born, Anakin lost the title of the chosen one and it fell onto the shoulders of his children. Then when turned back to the light, when he was Anakin again, he had become what the chosen one was meant to be. So in that sense, I feel the chosen one could refer to anyone within the Skywalker who has the power of the Force and is not something exclusive to Anakin.

      Yeah...the whole Chosen One thing isn't worth worrying too much about, given that it's never exactly been nailed down what "bringing balance to the Force" even means. I've half wondered if Rey's arc in the sequel trilogy is intended to reveal that she might be the rightful Chosen One-a stretch, I know, but then there are those who thought that Maul would become Snoke.

      Anyone else catch the weird parallels between Maul's death scene and Qui-Gon's? You can't tell me that wasn't planned.

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      • sigh*

      While i'm really sad about Maul's death, I think it was perfect.

      Kenobi seemed almost sad about it, which makes everything..

      I don't know.

      I just watched the episode about 30 mintues ago,

      What do you guys thikn Ezra will do with Maul's ship??

      Also, I though Ezra only knew the capital city..

      Wait, never mind, that's where their attacking, right??

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    • I think the short battle was good because it really plays into the personality of Obi-Wan's force-wielding in A New Hope. In his battle with Vader in ANH, there is not this crazy jumping around and all that we see in the prequels. I think it is simply a more sophisticated fight due to the years of patience and practice with the force for both Obi and Ani. So I think the short battle fits in nicely with the original trilogy.

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    • IHHeroes wrote: I think the short battle was good because it really plays into the personality of Obi-Wan's force-wielding in A New Hope. In his battle with Vader in ANH, there is not this crazy jumping around and all that we see in the prequels. I think it is simply a more sophisticated fight due to the years of patience and practice with the force for both Obi and Ani. So I think the short battle fits in nicely with the original trilogy.

      I think it also fits in with the different ways Vader goes into lightsaber battles; he was beaten by Obi-Wan badly enough in their last fight that he's not about to go all out reckless attacking like he did on Mustafar.

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    • I hate it when they have different music during the end credits. SHEESH!

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    • Why? I think it worked with the episode, it kept the mood. Besides, Binary Sunset is only like, the greatest piece of musical art introduced to man kind ever.

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    • I loved the episode so much! Perfect way to end Maul's story IMO.

      The fight played out like a samurai fight with the opponents thinking how the fight will go down and the master always end the fight very quickly because he's the master.

      Plus I love how Obi-Wan tricked Maul by using Qui-Gon Jinn's form 4. Maul belived he would be able to kill Kenobi the same way as he did his old master by hitting him with his lightsaber's hilt to knock him off guard to stab him but that's exactly what Obi-Wan wanted Maul to believe. So perfect.

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    • Spongebob456 wrote:
      I found the episode really, really good. The tension was palpable. I wanted a bit more of a lightsaber battle but the emotional impact was good. I actually felt sorry for Maul in a way! Someone I know said they spotted a reference to Ep 7 - did any of you guys spot this? I couldn't see it although I've only seen the episode once. Overall, the best episode of this season (so far) without a doubt for me. Bring on the finale.

      where was the referance?

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    • It would have benefited from a two-parter, but otherwise this episode fit the premise perfectly. Obi-Wan was spot-on Alec Guinness in look and voice, they did an excellent job. I agree, the duel was a bit abruptly-short, but hey, Maul is finally done. I'm happy!

      And Luke's appearance at the end was nearly EXACTLY what I wanted! :) :) :) I was happy-squealing and jumping in my seat so much I freaked out my dog―which kind of surprises me in hindsight, because you'd think she'd be used to my insane outbursts of excitement over Star Wars by now...

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    • Starwarslover1998 wrote:
      where was the referance?

      Not sure myself. If anyone else can find the reference that'd be cool. :)

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    • Starwarslover1998 wrote:
      Spongebob456 wrote:
      I found the episode really, really good. The tension was palpable. I wanted a bit more of a lightsaber battle but the emotional impact was good. I actually felt sorry for Maul in a way! Someone I know said they spotted a reference to Ep 7 - did any of you guys spot this? I couldn't see it although I've only seen the episode once. Overall, the best episode of this season (so far) without a doubt for me. Bring on the finale.
      where was the referance?

      Yes there was. The stance Obiwan takes is what he used when fighting Grievous, and what Quigon used. Darth Maul attempted to attack him the same way he did to Quigon. At least thats what I read.

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    • ArcFire1 wrote:

      Starwarslover1998 wrote:
      Spongebob456 wrote:
      I found the episode really, really good. The tension was palpable. I wanted a bit more of a lightsaber battle but the emotional impact was good. I actually felt sorry for Maul in a way! Someone I know said they spotted a reference to Ep 7 - did any of you guys spot this? I couldn't see it although I've only seen the episode once. Overall, the best episode of this season (so far) without a doubt for me. Bring on the finale.
      where was the referance?

      Yes there was. The stance Obiwan takes is what he used when fighting Grievous, and what Quigon used. Darth Maul attempted to attack him the same way he did to Quigon. At least thats what I read.

      And that references Episode 7 how?

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    • I have no clue how that's suppose to be a reference to E7 but it was 100% referencing E1.

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    • Nvm. Didn't see the Ep-7 part.  Carry on

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    • Quantus X II wrote: Why? I think it worked with the episode, it kept the mood. Besides, Binary Sunset is only like, the greatest piece of musical art introduced to man kind ever.

      Eh, I just find the normal one better.

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    • Teen Titans Forever! wrote: I have no clue how that's suppose to be a reference to E7 but it was 100% referencing E1.

      Spoke to a friend of mine who says the "look what you've become" maybe is a reference to a similar line in ep 7.

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    • So far, for me this is the best episode of season 3.

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    • Anyone else think it'd be funny if Ezra took the Nightbrother to Krownest next episode?

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    • Pretty sure that's what happens, as we saw in the preview.

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    • Oh, didn't see that. I just figured it would be funny-Ezra showing up at a Mandalorian base in a Mandalorian ship, especially Maul's Mandalorian ship. Of course, part of me just likes the idea of Sabine and Ezra flying around in that thing, after it's gotten an appropriate rename.

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    • Is it still too early to predict whether or not Ezra and Sabine hook up? I hope they do tbh

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    • i think its likely for them to hook up

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    • Egh, while I would like them getting together...

      eeeeeegh.

      Ezra's devolpment as a jedi...would.. "change"?

      It's hard to describe, but it would throw him off track..

      I think, at least.

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    • will see

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    • Salem Prince wrote: Egh, while I would like them getting together...

      eeeeeegh.

      Ezra's devolpment as a jedi...would.. "change"?

      It's hard to describe, but it would throw him off track..

      I think, at least.

      I think it's already safe to say that Ezra is not going to fall into the mold of the Old Republic Jedi; Kanan's broken away from a good bit of that himself. I see them as both being more along the lines of the New Jedi Order from Legends: embracing some of the teachings but still embracing attachment and lasting connections for the value that they hold. Ezra's a different kind of Jedi, and Sabine's a different kind of Mandalorian-kind of a fitting pair, in my opinion.

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    • I think the last scene with Maul was really well constructed - the empty desert and the star-filled sky above. The only sources of light being the two lightsabers, their humming the only sound to break the silence.

      Very intense.

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    • Now that Maul's fate has been settled, a new burning question emerges from this episode:

      Why wasn't that Dewback in A New Hope?

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    • Obi-Wan borrowed it, maybe? He had an eopie in Revenge of the Sith (I think) so maybe there's a riding-mount barn somewhere in Mos Eisley?

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    • So obviously it's been a while, but I had a realization about Maul's role in Rebels that I wanted to talk about, and-as the episode of his final appearance-this seemed like the best place to do so. The realization is this: honestly, the fact that the Rebels survived the Battle of Atollon is largely due to Maul's actions.

      Now, hear me out-of course Maul wasn't trying to help the Rebels out, but regardless, the things he did ended up playing a role in them getting away from Atollon with as much as they did, and indeed getting away at all. My main points of reasoning are these:

      • Maul's actions in "Twilight of the Apprentice"-specifically blinding Kanan, getting Ezra into the mindset that using Sith methods was the only way to beat them, and playing a hand in Ahsoka's loss, brought about the turmoil that later awoke Bendu and caused him to call out to Kanan-and as we all know, Bendu was a major factor in most of the Rebels being able to get off Atollon.
      • The events of "The Holocrons of Fate" and "Visions and Voices" set Ezra back on the right path, reconciling him with Kanan and getting him off the route to the dark side; otherwise, he might have left the others behind a long time ago instead of sticking around.
      • "Visions and Voices" also saw the Rebels get their hands on the Darksaber, which judging by Maul's reaction was the last thing he wanted. However, by unwittingly enabling them to obtain it, he brought about a chain of events that brought Clan Wren into at least tentative alliance with the Rebellion.
      • As a result of "Twin Suns", the Rebels obtained possession of Maul's Gauntlet-fighter, which is what enabled Ezra to escape Atollon and go for help in the first place. It also may have been a factor in as many Clan Wren Warriors accompanying Ezra as did.

      So, while Maul's presence may have seemed at times like simply a loose end from The Clone Wars that needed tying up, his actions actually ended up doing the Rebels a few solids-surprise surprise.

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    • Very good points. One thing, how did Kenobi know Ezra's name/how that Ezra had everything he needed? Maybe looked through his 'wallet' or whatever and saw his name and Rebel rank maybe? Chopper told him?

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    • Uh, I don't think Ezra has a wallet.

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    • Yeah, I know - that's why I put ' ' marks around it. Does Ezra keep credentials on him or a badge maybe?

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    • Well, they do have bathrooms, ahem - Refreshers, so maybe they have some kind of space wallets too?

      Another option is that Kenobi is extremely good at picking rumors, especially concerning Force-users.

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    • Yeah, good point. I read somewhere that Kenobi could just be keeping tabs on the Rebellion and knows of the Ghost crew and their successes. Therefore, he knows Ezra's a Jedi and knows he has good people around him.

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    • Or Qui-Gon could have told him.

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    • I guess so. It's not that important really, I was just curious.

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    • Another question - necroposting again, sorry!

      I always thought Sand People fired bullet projectiles rather than laser bolts as seen in the episode. I understand the reason for this so they could be seen in the dark, it's a kids show etc - just didn't know if this was 'canon'. Thoughts?

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    • They mostly fire solid projectiles, but maybe these ones got lucky and stumbled across a couple blaster rifles during a raid. They probably don't use them often because blaster cartridges are harder for them to find than physical ammunition. When they saw a starfighter land, it was as good an occasion as any to haul out the big guns (literally). Buuuuuuut more likely... yes, blaster bolts are easier to animate/see than bullets.

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    • Hadn't thought of that. Yeah, that sounds very plausible. Idk, I've gotten a bit silly recently with finding the small details in everything in Star Wars. I love Twin Suns so much and you know how it is - the more you love something, the more holes you pick in it lol.

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    • You think the users on this wiki are the pros of picking stuff apart? You should see my brother pick apart a Hobbit or Lord of the Rings movie. We can't go five minutes without him pausing it and explaining every single pertaining detail within the Tolkien mythology. Then again, I do it to him with any Star Wars/Marvel Earth-616 knowledge that has anything to do with a SW or MCU movie/show we watch, so I guess it's fair play. :)

      Y'know, I didn't even think about the Tuskans firing stuff, I was focused on the robes. I know they cheated with the Sand People costumes so they could do Obi-Wan's robes justice and I completely understand why, but it was odd seeing them wearing pants rather than those long skirts, for lack of any better words. Wonder what in-universe explanation they came up with for that? It was nighttime, maybe they were wearing pajamas like Ezra was at the start of the episode?

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