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    After gaining information about the Sith, Kanan, Ezra and Ahsoka battle the Inquisitors with the help of a new ally, but are overmatched when Vader arrives.


    What did everyone think of the second season finale of Star Wars Rebels?

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    • IT WAS AWESOME!!!!!!! I AM SO GLAD THEY DIDN'T KILL AHSOKA!!!!!

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    • I LOVED IT!!

      Bane that is Alex's thing :P

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    • Leorules*5 wrote: IT WAS AWESOME!!!!!!! I AM SO GLAD THEY DIDN'T KILL AHSOKA!!!!!

      Who said they would? Huh....

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    • I was still scared. Is that a crime.

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    • 10/10. Best. Finale. Ever. It was a heart-breaker, but it was a perfect end to the story they've built up over the past season. Gave it an ending but at the same time left it open for continuation.

      I don't think SPOILER PEOPLE SPOILER!!! Ahsoka's truly dead. I believe that she's most likely gone, but... they never showed her falling from a saber strike. They never showed her laying there before the explosion. And they showed Vader walking away from that explosion. Something could've happened. She could be alive. I'm not going to get my hopes up, but... it doesn't fit right with a death scene.

      Is it weird that I think the part where they blinded Kanan was brilliant? I mean, anyone can get a hand chopped off and come back from that easily in Star Wars; we've seen Anakin and Luke do it. Being blinded? Better story arc potential. :)

      Everything ended the way I saw it happening. It totally sucks that it did, but... it happened.

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    • One of the best episodes to date. It's right up there with "Call to Action". It kept moving and had a tension to it rivaled by TCW "Carnage of Krell". Though I thought the Fifth Brother's death was a little anti-climactic. For such an established character, he could have used a little more buildup. But of course, when you kill three Inquisitors in the span of about five minutes, there isn't a whole lot you can get in there.

      And Ahsoka... Let the FanFictions commence. We only see Vader take a few limping steps away from the ruins. I think he's planning to take Ahsoka with him, just waiting for help to arrive. Because, come on, you know she's not dead. Her league of character does not go out like that. We'll be seeing her again.

      I also wouldn't discard the Ezra turning to the Dark Side theory just yet. He's had more than a taste of it. There is no going back.

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    • There's a shot of her walking away! THERE IS A SHOT OF HER WALKING AWAY!!!
      Ahsoka's Fate

      It's faint, but that's Ahsoka's back! I'll never get tired of sayin' this. AHSOKA LIVES. :) :) :)

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    • Well nevermind on Vader taking Ahsoka with him, but he may very well have spared her. Or that huge explosion separated them. Either way, I think Snips is facing a little exile time for a bit.

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    • Not again... I'll take exile over death, exile means they're coming back at some point. :)

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    • It was a worthy finale, and the story is still not over...

      I actually felt a little bad for the Seventh Sister and the Eighth Brother

      But Ahsoka... I have no doubts she survived but... the way she vanished into the darkness of those ruins... It was heart-rending

      Kanan lost his eyes but proved himself stronger than he knows

      And Ezra... I don't know what to think of him now

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    • i gotta admit for an old guy Maul was pretty good at fighting the inquistors 

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    • It was more intense than I anticipated.

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    • I seriously can't get over the Kanan thing. I knew they would have to give someone a life-altering injury (it helps build story, and it's tradition in SW), and I knew going into this that it'd be Kanan because Ahsoka would probably die and Ezra would probably go dark, but I thought they'd go the route of the old concept art and give him a robot arm. Blinding him was a brilliant story move. Lopped-off limbs are a dime-a-dozen in Star Wars. People having been blinded by a lightsaber? Surprisingly few in numbers. And in a way, it has even more emotional impact going forward. It's just brilliant, I can't stop saying it!

      Also... I can't stop thinking of that look of complete heartbreak on Rex's face when he finds out about Ahsoka's 'death'. When you put it in perspective, all his friends from the Clone Wars... they're all gone, either dead or presumed so. It just sucks. Wolffe and Gregor are all he has left...

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    • I still don't understand why Vader and Ahsoka were waking away from each other and if Ahsoka is going to be in Season Three.

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    • Starkiller blinded a Jedi in the force unleashed with his lightsaber,he was still strong in the force and helped Starkiller out in the end. I wonder if this were they got the idea from?

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    • I still believe that Ahsoka lives but have no idea where she will fit into the story. Filoni has said that he wants the story to be about the Ghost crew and not Ahsoka or Vader.

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    • Man. That was my favorite Rebels episode so far and it stands along with my favorite Clone Wars episodes.

      Darth Maul's reappearance was great and he played his role very well. I'm so happy that he has a double-bladed lightsaber again; I never liked it when he just used the remnants of his old lightsaber in the Clone Wars. I'm pretty sure that him killing all three Inquisitors and blinding Kanan was the biggest twist of the story.

      Then there's Ahsoka vs. Vader. The fight as a whole was great, just as I thought it would be. What I didn't like, however, was the resolution. Is she dead or not? I may be in the minority when I say that I want her to be dead. One of the main issues that the Clone Wars, and Star Wars as a whole, has had is its inability to give closure to a lot of characters. At some point, you can't continue the story with three Force-wielders, and it would be fitting that Ahsoka met her end at Vader's hands. But even if she is dead now, it's kind of bitter given the lack of much closure.

      edit: oh, she is alive...not sure I like it

      I think at this point, with four dead Inquisitors, it's safe to say that they will no longer be major antagonists of the series. Ezra and Kanan will be moving on to Vader, Maul, and Ezra's own internal conflict.

      One last thing: blinding Kanan was probably the most gutsy move the show's done so far, and it will be interesting to see how this factors into the rest of the show.

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    • edit: oh, she is alive...not sure I like it

      It's not really confirmed that she is.

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    • I'm going to miss his eyes... those dreamy eyes.

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    • Man I thought maul going to join the rebel

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    • I honestly doubt it, I knew from the start Darth Maul was lying.

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    • I honestly doubt it, I knew from the start Darth Maul was lying.

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    • Ahsoka is trapped in the temple. I think ( my opinion) during the explosion she throw Anakin/ Vader outside the temple to save his live.

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    • (P) Macabros77 wrote: Ahsoka is trapped in the temple. I think ( my opinion) during the explosion she throw Anakin/ Vader outside the temple to save his live.

      What??? Nice Thinking... just saying

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    • DerpyDoodle wrote:

      One last thing: blinding Kanan was probably the most gutsy move the show's done so far, and it will be interesting to see how this factors into the rest of the show.

      I completely agree cause I don't know how Kanan being blind makes the show work cause Ezra's seemingly falling towards the dark side considering he's about to open the sith holocron and he still needs training. Not to mention that the rebellion now has a base and they still need to continue on but... with a blind leader? This story may not end well...

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    • (P) Macabros77 wrote: Ahsoka is trapped in the temple. I think ( my opinion) during the explosion she throw Anakin/ Vader outside the temple to save his live.

      She's not trapped cause she was seem walking inside the temple, probably to investigate "the forbidden knowledge" she foretold about, which may not have been the knowledge Darth Maul meant about the holocron, but maybe something else if she ever returns to the rebellion

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    • Hahahahhahajahahahajahah.... Kanan was trained when he was a youngling before he could become a Jedi like the others .[[
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    • Dave Filoni said that he won't be focusing the Ghost crew on the third season but more on adding elements from Rogue One and A New Hope ...

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    • TheRebelJediGirl wrote:

      (P) Macabros77 wrote: Ahsoka is trapped in the temple. I think ( my opinion) during the explosion she throw Anakin/ Vader outside the temple to save his live.

      She's not trapped cause she was seem walking inside the temple, probably to investigate "the forbidden knowledge" she foretold about, which may not have been the knowledge Darth Maul meant about the holocron, but maybe something else if she ever returns to the rebellion

      Maul is the forbidden knowledge ... this was the whole point... they needed help to eliminate the Inquisitors

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    • Davidjimnez wrote:

      TheRebelJediGirl wrote:

      (P) Macabros77 wrote: Ahsoka is trapped in the temple. I think ( my opinion) during the explosion she throw Anakin/ Vader outside the temple to save his live.

      She's not trapped cause she was seem walking inside the temple, probably to investigate "the forbidden knowledge" she foretold about, which may not have been the knowledge Darth Maul meant about the holocron, but maybe something else if she ever returns to the rebellion

      Maul is the forbidden knowledge ... this was the whole point... they needed help to eliminate the Inquisitors

      I don't think Yoda intended for them to find Maul when he directed them to Malachor. There's some other knowledge, or something else entirely, in that temple... something far darker.

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    • Bane7670 wrote:

      Davidjimnez wrote:

      TheRebelJediGirl wrote:

      (P) Macabros77 wrote: Ahsoka is trapped in the temple. I think ( my opinion) during the explosion she throw Anakin/ Vader outside the temple to save his live.

      She's not trapped cause she was seem walking inside the temple, probably to investigate "the forbidden knowledge" she foretold about, which may not have been the knowledge Darth Maul meant about the holocron, but maybe something else if she ever returns to the rebellion

      Maul is the forbidden knowledge ... this was the whole point... they needed help to eliminate the Inquisitors
      I don't think Yoda intended for them to find Maul when he directed them to Malachor. There's some other knowledge, or something else entirely, in that temple... something far darker.

      I thought that traitor Maul was gonna fight Lord Vader

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    • That was in the original script but was scraped.

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    • Maurice.136 wrote:
      That was in the original script but was scraped.

      I have the funny feeling Ahoska is alive

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    • She is, her death was not confirmed.

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    • Can somone upload this picture of all the Inqusitors together, here's the link:http://m.imgur.com/a/MeBCW

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    • Okay, I know I'm super late to this discussion, but oh my gosh was that a fantastic episode. The tension was through the roof, the fight scenes were glorious and I think I had a miniature heart attack when Kanan was blinded.

      Actually, the part that got me the most feels-wise was the ending, when Hera and Kanan saw each other again. Blame my crazy shipper brain, but those two never fail to be adorable. Their relationship is truly heartwarming, and in this episode Hera seemed to display her anger and grief over what happened to him and her joy at seeing him alive again just in a few movements. And Kanan seemed happy to 'see' her as well. 

      I'm super hyped for Season Three and seeing how the rebels are going to manage all this, with a blinded Kanan, an increasingly dangerous Ezra and new enemies to attack them. It's going to be one amazing season, I can tell.

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    • TheRebelJediGirl wrote: I completely agree cause I don't know how Kanan being blind makes the show work cause Ezra's seemingly falling towards the dark side considering he's about to open the sith holocron and he still needs training. Not to mention that the rebellion now has a base and they still need to continue on but... with a blind leader? This story may not end well...

      There have been strong leaders in real life that are blind. Besides, Jedi have been shown using the Force to heighten their senses to the point of being superhuman. And Kanan figured out rather quickly in the show, a Jedi doesn't need eyes to see. Sure, it'll be rocky at first as he figures things out, but I think Kanan'll be back on his feet and ready to fight in no time.

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    • Jerec was blind too, but that wasn't a problem for him ;)

      Well, it seems we've run out of Inquisitors. Again.

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    • We have Maul now, which, now that I've seen him, I prefer over the Inquisitors. And you can bet that the Spectres-- especially a certain former street-rat and Twi'lek --will want to go after him for what he did to Kanan.

      They have to explain somehow why Vader and Palps are the only dark siders left by the Original Trilogy. I guess this is how it'll be explained. Maul's probably going around destroying all of them...

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    • Hmmm, it is never explicitly stated that Vader and Palpatine are the only dark siders during the OT. What we know for sure is that they are the only Sith.

      There is always an option for some obscure or exiled force-wielders.

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    • Vorknkx wrote: Hmmm, it is never explicitly stated that Vader and Palpatine are the only dark siders during the OT. What we know for sure is that they are the only Sith.

      There is always an option for some obscure or exiled force-wielders.

      *cough*Knights of Ren*cough*

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    • I feel as Ashoka walking back into the Sith Temple represented her death, her leaving to be entombed forever in the temple.

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    • Did anyone find the irony in Kanan telling Hera that they'll see each other again, only for Kanan to become blind and not being able to see Hera anymore.

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    • Leorules*5 wrote:
      Did anyone find the irony in Kanan telling Hera that they'll see each other again, only for Kanan to become blind and not being able to see Hera anymore.

      There was nOTHING OKAY ABOUT THAT ALL RIGHT I'M ALREADY DEAD OF FEELS BECAUSE OF THAT EPISODE NO NEED TO TORTURE ME IN MY GRAVE

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    • Leorules*5 wrote:
      Did anyone find the irony in Kanan telling Hera that they'll see each other again, only for Kanan to become blind and not being able to see Hera anymore.

      Omg, lol.

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    • CrystalMomSquad wrote:
      I feel as Ashoka walking back into the Sith Temple represented her death, her leaving to be entombed forever in the temple.


      Did you see the Bird or whatever it was flying in direction of the temple after Vader came out ? Do you remember "Clone wars" as Ahsoka left the temple and Anakin stayed behind? It was a little bit like this only with role reversal. Ahsoka hurted Vader very bad. As she said, I will not go away this time.

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    • In exile have I to go. Failed I have, said once Yoda after his battle with Palpatine. I've the feeling that for Ahsoka is the same.

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    • Cloneablestar wrote:
      In exile have I to go. Failed I have, said once Yoda after his battle with Palpatine. I've the feeling that for Ahsoka is the same.


      I see the difference that for Ahsoka, doesn't matter if Anakin/ Vader is the worst Guy in the universe, he is a kind of "brother" , who saved her life. ( not only once)

      A Togruta is loyal. And if the explosion or the temple itself didn't throw Vader out of the temple , she did it to save him.

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    • (P) Macabros77 wrote:
      Cloneablestar wrote:
      In exile have I to go. Failed I have, said once Yoda after his battle with Palpatine. I've the feeling that for Ahsoka is the same.

      I see the difference that for Ahsoka, doesn't matter if Anakin/ Vader is the worst Guy in the universe, he is a kind of "brother" , who saved her life. ( not only once)

      A Togruta is loyal. And if the explosion or the temple itself didn't throw Vader out of the temple , she did it to save him.

      I think she's gone into exile, she knows how he killed all the Jedi and she failed to stop him from continuing his crusade.

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    • When Ahsoka says "I am no Jedi" - could this be a subtle LotR reference?

      • "You fool, no man can kill me."
      • "I am no man!"
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    • I thought it was just me thinking they were referencing Éowyn! Ahsoka basically quoting my favorite LotR character just made that scene so much more awesome! :) :) :)

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    • Lol. Didn't want to be the first person to say it XD.

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    • It´s my favourite episode.

      i thing Ahsoka is a grey jedi

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    • I wanna bring this up:

      Vader destroyed Ezra's lightsaber...

      Did Ezra forget his lightsaber crystal or did he take it with him?

      The parts were expendable but not the crystal

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    • Not much of that shown, so they could claim Ezra retrieved the crystal off-screen.

      I was hoping to see some more of the Emperor. Maybe next season.

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    • Midnight Blaze V wrote:
      I wanna bring this up:

      Vader destroyed Ezra's lightsaber...

      Did Ezra forget his lightsaber crystal or did he take it with him?

      The parts were expendable but not the crystal

      Illum is the planet which the Jedi used for the Crystals, perhaps there will be a episode based on them sneaking onto the planet.

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    • When Ezra took the holocron, I was so sure the temple itself was going scream "INFIDELS! You have touched the forbidden treasure!"

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    • That would be a very cheesy temple, if you ask me :P

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    • - Me too, but it would've been the cream cheese icing on the cheesecake. Ever since his debut as the 'street rat' I thought: "where have I seen that before"?

      - But besides that, the episode kept me on my seat's edge. I though for sure one of the protagonists was going to die. But I guess, in this series, we haven't seen Vader go there yet.

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    • I would say it was an equal fight. People always think Vader cannot be beaten. He is very powerful, yes, but he is no God. He is a living dead and a slave of the Dark side, which can be replaced. In the whole years, I have only seen once, that his suit was damaged. That was the fight with his son. He walked away because he needs medical help.

      He lost this fight. Did the explosion throw him out of the temple, did Ahsoka throw him in direction explosion or did the temple throw him out and kept Ahsoka? Ezra activated the temple and his secrets. The temple might have protected Ahsoka. She is not a Jedi but not a Sith either.“Seeds of the Dark side”.

      That makes her so dangerous. She is a independant force not controlled by anyone and developped herself over the years. It’s not her fate to join the rebels or to stay with them, neither to defeat Vader. He can be the worst Guy in the universe, but for her he is a kind of brother who saved her life and brought her back from the dead. She will always be in his debt. She doesn't follow a Jedi codex but her heart. That would explain why suddenly Anakin/ Vader changed the voice. He must have feel the growing force in her.

      I don't think they want to meet each other again Ahsoka because she knows that she will never be able to kill him and Vader because he cannot be sure to survive another fight.

      @ Vorknkx I'm impressed. Never thought about "Lord of Rings". But yes, that makes sense. I had the feeling this female Sith ( the voice we heard) was familiar to the attitude of Ahsoka. Like a kind of soulmate. ( my opinion).

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    • Still, Vader is a full-on Sith Lord at the height of his game. As skilled as Ahsoka is, Vader is equally skilled and twice as powerful. If their duel had gone on uninterrupted, he would have eventually defeated her. I mean, this is the guy who's hunted down and killed countless Jedi Masters--it wasn't just the clones and Inquisitors.

      Ahsoka may be powerful, but she knows she can't defeat Vader, even if she wanted to. Vader, on the other hand, wouldn't hesitate at another opportunity to kill her. She only represents who he was, a tie to his former life. He cannot allow such a symbol to exist, but maybe he believes she's been destroyed. We'll never know what happened in that Temple until that story is told, somewhere and sometime else.

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    • Her mission to redeem him is won't work so she should have just escaped.

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    • I wouldn't say he hesitated to kill her, he was taking a very successful strategy he'd been using to find other Jedi. Telling the ones he finds, there's no need to fight and that he'll let them live if they lead him to more Jedi. I think he'll let any Jedi live (pretty much as a slave) as long as they bring him more Jedi. If they don't/can't/won't, then he kills them. Even though she might seem to be one, Ahsoka is no exception. At this point, Vader will kill anyone Sidious tells him to.

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    • At this point in the storyline, Darth Vader is still completely evil. A stone-cold Sith Lord driven by anger and hate.

      I think he was slightly confused by the unexpected hit on the face (with resulting mask damage) and the compassion expressed by Ahsoka.

      But this lasted only for a few moments. When he says "Then you will die", he is his "usual self" again. You can see how his grimace changes through the fracture in the mask - it's the angry expression we know from his Mustafar scenes in Episode III.

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    • Slaphappyjoy wrote: I wouldn't say he hesitated to kill her, he was taking a very successful strategy he'd been using to find other Jedi.

      Sorry, did what I say come off like that? I didn't mean to say that he hesitated before (he clearly doesn't). He just wouldn't hesitate at another chance to kill her, even after being severely wounded.

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    • I was diasppointed that this was only the second time we saw Ahsoka and Rex interact since "Relics of the Old Republic".

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    • Rex and Ahsoka's reunion in Relics of the Old Republic was so touching.  ;)

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    • Bane7670 wrote:

      Slaphappyjoy wrote: I wouldn't say he hesitated to kill her, he was taking a very successful strategy he'd been using to find other Jedi.

      Sorry, did what I say come off like that? I didn't mean to say that he hesitated before (he clearly doesn't). He just wouldn't hesitate at another chance to kill her, even after being severely wounded.

      Oh I see what you mean now. I don't think he'd hold back at some future point either, since now he clearly knows she'll fight him.

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    • Slaphappyjoy wrote:
      Bane7670 wrote:
      Sorry, did what I say come off like that? I didn't mean to say that he hesitated before (he clearly doesn't). He just wouldn't hesitate at another chance to kill her, even after being severely wounded.
      Oh I see what you mean now. I don't think he'd hold back at some future point either, since now he clearly knows she'll fight him.

      Are you sure that is able to kill her ? She might be with Luke Skywalker on the same level.

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    • (P) Macabros77 wrote:

      Slaphappyjoy wrote:
      Bane7670 wrote:
      Sorry, did what I say come off like that? I didn't mean to say that he hesitated before (he clearly doesn't). He just wouldn't hesitate at another chance to kill her, even after being severely wounded.
      Oh I see what you mean now. I don't think he'd hold back at some future point either, since now he clearly knows she'll fight him.

      Are you sure that is able to kill her ? She might be with Luke Skywalker on the same level.

      She's not on Luke's level because, as Filoni has reiterated time and time again, Ahsoka is not part of Vader's redemption. The only one who can start him down that path is Luke himself, which we don't see until Empire and Jedi.

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    • (P) Macabros77 wrote:

      Are you sure that is able to kill her ? She might be with Luke Skywalker on the same level.

      Kill? Maybe, maybe not. Out of everyone, those who can fight Vader best (i.e. most entertaining to your average fan) are her, Obi-Wan, Sidious, and Luke since they've all shared some strong bond with him. Although, as I mentioned before, Vader had every reason to try, since she wouldn't comply with his request. So it would seem that if he could have, then he would have, there at that temple.

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    • I never said Asoka would be part of Vader's redemption. But she is a similar caliber to fight Vader as Luke is. And she doesn't give up. Don't forget the damaged helmet without he can breathe. Is she even more than it seems ?

      Are the options either Vader let her live, she let him live or she died? It seems to me the most obvious answer is that Vader thinks she died in the explosion and he took off not realizing she was still alive, and she realized she couldn't go after him and decided to go into the temple for more knowledge of the Sith and/or to meditate. You could say that he would certainly sense her, but I don't think that's necessarily true, especially in that place.

      https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2016/04/05/star-wars-rebels-did-ahsoka-tano-die/

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    • Loved the episode, but I found it underwhelming because I set the bar too high. Most of this was due to Malachor's involvement. It did not really honor its legends counterpart, and it was not as dread-inducing as in KOTOR 2. Its backstory seemed lame. It would have been better if it were Ziost. It looked more like Ziost anyway.

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    • That's not surprising - Disney seems to establish a fresh new canon, which has nothing to do with the old Legends stuff.

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    • Well yeah, Vorknkx, but they should either honor legends properly or not use it at all. I am fine with characters being used, but completely changing certain lore upsets me. Plus Old Republic stuff does not contradict the new canon as it is. It seems like they were going out of their way to screw it up. They could have easily used a different planet or created a new one.

      Again, Malachor in Rebels looked waaayyy more like Ziost due to the surface and the position of the monoliths on the surface.

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    • I get the impression that they will use the stuff the like... then use some of the other stuff, but in a modified state. Most of the old EU will be swept to the side, most likely...

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    • Davidjimnez wrote:

      (P) Macabros77 wrote: Ahsoka is trapped in the temple. I think ( my opinion) during the explosion she throw Anakin/ Vader outside the temple to save his live.

      What??? Nice Thinking... just saying


      No logical. The way of the Sith. Only two, not more or less, the master and his apprentice.

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    • Regarding level of skill, I think Ahsoka is way better than Luke - she underwent quite a bit of formal Jedi training, fought in the Clone Wars too... while Luke was mostly self-taught and received a little tutelage from Yoda.

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    • But the Temple was also built before the Rule of Two was implemented.

      The temple honestly reminded me of a level in one of those old lego games where player one has to work together with player 2

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    • The Temple looks like a big "Holocron" and I was astonished that Darth Vader had no idea how secrets can be unlocked in a Sith temple. Seems that "Darth Sidious" doesn't trust his apprentice.

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    • Or maybe he knew, but was amazed to see young Ezra do so well - Sith temples aren't exactly a common sight around the galaxy ;)

      But the other thing is true - the relationship between Vader and Sidious wasn't exactly a nice one. It was something like a mix of mutual respect + mutual hate. Vader's injuries probably made him look like a "broken" apprentice.

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    • I couldn't believe it, but I think Vader had no idea. Malachor is special. Be powerful is important, but much more important is the knowledge about it (how Yoda would say). Vader knew about the artifact but not more.

      Vader is very strong. Why should Sidious make him stronger than he is? I think this is what Vader will realize in the future.

      "I won't leave you, not this time".  Ahsoka pushed Erza away to stay with Vader alone in the temple.

      She was protecting both sides, the future of what the Jedi will become and the man(master and brother) she once trusted with her life (Anakin/Vader).

      The dark and the light , [The master and his apprentice] opened the Pyramide (Holocron ?)

      Her journey continues and her fate might be another one after studying the Sith Temple.

      "............because of you, I did survived. Thank you master.   ( CW)

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    • I believe Ahsoka feels partially responsible or even guilty about Anakin's fall to the dark side... she probably thinks that he might have avoided this fate, if she had been by his side.

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    • Along with that she feels conflicted, because some part of her thinks Anakin "planted seeds of the dark side" in her.

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    • Slaphappyjoy wrote:
      Along with that she feels conflicted, because some part of her thinks Anakin "planted seeds of the dark side" in her.

      Was it not the "Son of Darkness" on Mortis? Ahsokas double in her vision once said, as long your connection with your Master Anakin exists, you'll not see your future, you'll not move on. Now this bond is cut off.

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    • Yes, it was the Son. We know that, but does she? We don't see her getting any affirmation about her vision--unlike Anakin, who was told by the Father that the Son was causing the visions. Imo, for all we know, Ahsoka may believe that what she saw was of her own cognizance, especially since she saw herself in the vision.

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    • See, the thing about Mortis is that Obi-Wan, Anakin and Ahsoka all took what they saw there with a fairly big grain of salt. They know the Force worked in trippy ways on that planet and can't be entirely sure if what they witnessed and experience was entirely genuine. That's why Anakin and Obi-Wan believe they didn't actually commune with Qui-Gon while they were there; they think it was all just an illusion created from their memories. Ahsoka probably has similar feelings towards the vision of her future self, and can't be sure what it meant.

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    • It just seems like now that she has seen with her own eyes Anakin as Vader, she might reflect on that experience on Mortis that may or may not have been previously overlooked out of skepticism.

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    • Slaphappyjoy wrote:
      Yes, it was the Son. We know that, but does she? We don't see her getting any affirmation about her vision-

      But her future is not set in stone. I think she will not join the rebels anymore. Her fate will be different. I personally think that only Rex knows the truth and will maybe go after her. Whatever she will do  against Darth Sidious his plans (because she blames him for Anakin/ Vaders fall)  after studying the ancient secrets will be alone or with allies.  Who knows, maybe a group of Mandalorians or somebody else. ? I think she has two powers in her, a combination of the daughter of light and seeds of the Darkness of the son. She can use the "dark force" without falling. That could have saved her and the explosion. "She's not a jedi neither a sith.
      She is a loner who will disappear in the dark to return one day in the light.

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    • And the fan theories are going rampant all over YouTube.

      Something that grabbed my attention was a theory that a guy seen in the Rogue One trailer is actually Ezra Bridger. I don't know - he seems a little too old to be Ezra.

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    • Do you think Ezra could loose his Powers ??  Very unusual..

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    • I don't think he could - he was born with this power, it's in his blood (literally, considering the concept of "midi-chlorians"). I think a Jedi could cut him/herself off from the Force through willpower, but I don't know if it's easy to accomplish. Plus, Ezra doesn't seem like the kind of person who'd willingly abandon his powers (unless something nasty happens, persuading him to do that).

      P.S. Lose - just one "o" ;)

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    • Okay, we're drifting into Rebels Theories territory here, so let's take this current discussion over there, since this thread has run its course.

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